https://cobbtuning.atlassian.net/wiki/display/PRS/Map+Notes+for+VA+WRX+6MT

 

Just do a Cobb AP and go from there. The Stage 1 93 (if applicable) is phenomenal. If you want more get a JPipe, you don't need a catback. Honestly the intake doesn't gain too much and the stock intake suffices on these cars


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So just the COBB tune/map?

 

Yeah, I mean you'll need access port or something similar to tune or add performance upgrades such as a Cobb SF intake or a turbo back exhaust. These can warrant more power for you. The stage 1 tune yields about 8.5% more torque and HP over stock and fixes/improves several other issues with the Subaru OEM tune.


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So a tune.. no bolt ons.. and you can see around 290 HP.. essentially an STI that can experience more power then a real STI at lower rpms. So besides the styling and badging.. Why spend more money and go from a WRX Limited, for example, to and STI when making a decision between the two... am I missing something? With bolt ons plus tune it would be faster then a STI...

 

You're focusing on output. That's not a meaningful criterion IMO. The giveaway is selecting the word "essentially." I do not believe such a thing exists. You'll have a WRX with more output, that's all. The point is the chassis and drivetrain; output isn't interesting. I suspect the chassis is worth over 1 second per km.

 

er 1 second per km.

I just want to know why there aren't 100 "smaller" seconds in a minute, and 100 "smaller" minutes in an hour, and .....?

 

I would not argue that the STI handles better. I test drove one several times, and not one that was at a dealership but one broken in by a daily driver/owner.

I suppose my confusion, being new to this platform, is that it would seem buying the highest trim level (STI) does not provide significant improvement over the base (non-STI) model. A matter of opinion obviously. Hopefully this changes during the next major generation change to the model.

 

It's really quite simple: it means you do not understand the differences.

Do you understand what a limited slip differential does? How about a much better gearbox design with shorter gearing? All I've heard is discussion on output horsepower. That's not the reason you buy an STi.

I get it. You don't see the value. The car was never meant for you.

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I understand what a LSD does (bluntly put: helps make sure you get power to the wheels in rough conditions) and I understand that the STI has an actual LSD while the base WRX has viscous speed-sensitive coupling differential. The STI is a rally car. I also know about gearing.

My far past = Mustang enthusiast. Owned a Cobra.. and a GT that was modded. These cars were very fast in a straight line. Fun to drive in good weather.

So since I'm not a rally racer or even thinking of track my views are clearly going to reflect this.

 

The STI is a rally car.

No it isn't.


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Well I did read on one of the fourms that the stock sti was raced professionally and performed pretty well in rally car events. I suppose in my definition that's a "rally car"

/shrug

Perhaps I should not believe everything I read

 

Well, I will say this... there are people who race the WRX/STi in open class rally events. I suppose this makes the STI a "rally car."

There are also people who race Geo Metros in open class rally, so I suppose this makes the Geo Metro a rally car.

The pain here is that many senior members remember people coming onto the forums claiming their STI was the same thing as what was raced in WRC. A Rally Car in that sense the STI is clearly not.

 

Yes, I agree 100 percent that the sti corners and handles far better then the base wrx! I experienced as much although it was at legal speeds on a mountain road and with the 2015 sti.

As far as what that is worth I can concede that it could be worth a lot to the right person.

It would appear that price delta to be around 8k between wrk and sti.

 

It would appear that price delta to be around 8k between wrk and sti.

Not exactly. You can't really compare the base WRX to the base STI as the STI has features that are much closer to the WRX limited plus other options that are not available at all on the WRX -- e.g. dual climate control.

 

Wasn't the 22b the closest to a rally car? It was only for homologation purposes?

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The 22B was a Sti -R with widebody and a 2.2 stroker kit. And the whole Sti parts selection in it. Aside from the kit and tweaked engine, the regular GC8 Sti is incredibly close to rally spec compared to models that followed after. New models are nothing like modern rally cars.

 

Ok.. fair enough.. the STI would be a non pro circuit rally car then.. .. I have to admit I enjoyed the times I drove one. Daily driver it could not be .. for me though.. then again neither were my Mustangs..

I'll be mindful of what I post more. Sorry for the bad posts.

Thanks.

 

I'll be mindful of what I post more. Sorry for the bad posts.

Don't sweat it.. I know I for one can come off pretty brash at times, but I'm really just trying to help. :thumbup:

 

It's not being mean man, it's just direct answers don't always come across as nice online.

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I was gonna say.. the 2.2L has the same 75mm stroke as the 2L, but with larger bore.

 

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The WRC chassis were using WRX codes though, not STi codes. The GrN cars were STi chassis codes if memory serves. This means that the UK-built top level cars were bare WRX chassis shipped to Britain and assembled there, and STi decals were applied for effect...

The GrN cars were actually competitive much longer than the WRC cars (that were still homologated GrA/8 even to the bitter end) because -- I speculate -- nobody else was bothering with an AWD car built in those numbers when the WRC class was much more open, with the exception of Mitsubishi.

In any case, the Impreza was IMO a taxi that became noteworthy simply because FIAT decided to redirect their racing efforts elsewhere, meaning Lancia retired the δ and ceased involvement even in GrN.

My initial response to OP, about it being best to leave the car alone, still stands -- at least in what's left of my mind.

Goodnight, guys.

EDIT: I've now remembered who first called the Impreza a taxi, and it all makes sense: LJK Setright. The Right Setright.

 

So basically zax was right it's nothing close to a homologation vehicle. It's just a performance package.

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We may be caught up in semantics. Homologation cars were made redundant by the switch from GrA sensu stricto to WRC for top tier competition. However WRC cars were only called that in the press, and were classified still as A/8 -- I think "..and therefore, I am" like the man said once).

Homologation still existed for GrN though.

Anybody up for a beer?